ZZippy and conoflex spring to mind,what about the other manufacturers,greys,conoflex,AFAW,Sonic,see some of these rods in the tackle shops,but not really a lot of them fishing or casting on the field,anyone use them or reccommend them,i had a Conoflex Nemesis which was a damn good rod for casting and fishing but been using the centurys for a long time,i would be interested on opinions on this topic :up22: