never got out trev,,a m8 of mine had ran over his moorings in the south dock so said i would give him a hand,,we had to get a diver to get the rope off the prop and the 2 mooring bouys he went over,,he"s been lucky not to bend anything,,nice boat it is though,,42ft carvel,,will be ideal for the a.t.n.e. boat meet and a lot cheaper too,,will try to sort something out with him before the weather turns   :up: :up: :up: